Heather Thomson Turned Her Trauma Into A Business Empire

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Kim Gravel:

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Kim Gravel:

But first, there's something to what you think about. You bring about.

Heather Thomson:

It's everything. It's the number one most important thing is your mindset. You're never gonna win if you feel like a loser. Like, so much so that you can't even believe the news I'm about to share with you. And I haven't told anybody this yet.

Kim Gravel:

Breaking news. Okay. I'm having a hot girl summer. And I don't mean physically. I mean I'm not getting in a bathing suit. It is hot outside. Y' and our guest is even hotter. I'm telling you now, she is hot physically, and she's over 50, so possibly having a hot flash.

Kim Gravel:

Anyway, we have an amazing show today. My guest was a star of the Real Housewives of New York. Oh my gosh, I was such a big fan. I'll tell you why in a little bit. But that's not really why I wanted to talk to her today because she's really what I call a baula shot calla kind of businesswoman. She has 13 patents, multiple million dollar companies. She's helped Beyonce and Jennifer Lopez launch their fashion brands. And now she has become a certified health coach.

Kim Gravel:

And her brand is called Beyond Fresh. Y', all, this woman even has climbed Mount Kilimanjaro. And I have been waiting for years to talk to this Real Housewives of New York. Welcome ball of shot. Calla.

Heather Thomson:

Heather. Tom.

Kim Gravel:

Holla.

Heather Thomson:

I'm so happy to be here with you.

Kim Gravel:

I didn't want, you know, what I was gonna say, holla. But I thought, no, I can't do that because then they'll know.

Heather Thomson:

Yeah, then they'll know I gave it right away. I mean, you gotta love it or hate it, but that's a part of, definitely part of me. I love it because it was always just such an encouraging feel good thing. And it came from an encouraging feel good time in my life. So I'm always gonna be, you know, Heather. Hollaback. Heather.

Kim Gravel:

Oh, My God. Hollaback, Heather. Oh, my gosh. That's what I'm gonna call you.

Heather Thomson:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

Yep.

Heather Thomson:

Some of the Real Housewives.

Kim Gravel:

Hbh. Hbh.

Heather Thomson:

I'm gonna give you that one exclusively. Cause some of the Real Housewives fans call me Hala Heather. And I love it. It's just so funny and it's fun to do. And who knew when I said it that it was gonna become what it has become? But I embrace it completely. And I'm so happy to be here with you, my fashion sister.

Kim Gravel:

Don't you feel like we should already know each other, Heather?

Heather Thomson:

Well, that happens, you know, with TV personalities. And it's really the truth. You do. And especially with what we do. You know, you share your life on television. You're talking about your life and you're telling stories while you're talking about why you created what you created. And the same thing I did in fashion, my years on shopping, television, but also as a reality, you know, TV personality, you let you open the door into your life. And so when people tell me that they feel like they know me, I'm like, well, you kind of do and I kind of do.

Heather Thomson:

Yes.

Kim Gravel:

Well, let's just start off the bat because I have a lot to ask and you're just going to have to entertain all my questions because it's years worth of building up. You've been in business a long time, but I think really when you stepped into the reality world, the dog eat dog reality, I say that in air quotes world of Real Housewives of New York, it was truly, I will tell you at that point, I mean, I watched it because it's so wretched. Right. I watched it because who can. It's like a car wreck. You cannot look away. You have to watch. But when you came on the scene of New York, I for once could really relate.

Kim Gravel:

You were the most relatable housewife. I think Bethany was too, don't get me wrong. But for me, as a married entrepreneur, had children, that type of, you know, I could relate to you the most.

Heather Thomson:

How in the world.

Kim Gravel:

And can I just say, you fit but didn't fit.

Heather Thomson:

Yes, it's really good. Really good way to describe it.

Kim Gravel:

Okay, I love that.

Heather Thomson:

Exactly.

Kim Gravel:

Explain to me what I'm saying.

Heather Thomson:

Yes. Well, I always said I didn't fit in. You know, I really didn't fit in, which is what worked for me, you know, because I wasn't kind of. And I don't like to stereotype anybody, but there is obviously kind of stereotypical housewives that had Come before me, you know, the drama. People that worry about who didn't invite who to whose birthday party or whatever. And I just never got caught up in. In that type of drama. Some of the girls, whether they believe it or not, they would turn up the volume for the show.

Heather Thomson:

I see. Very true. And God bless them because, you know, they became.

Kim Gravel:

I mean, that's what it's expected, right? Yeah.

Heather Thomson:

Then there was people like me, and some of them really did fall to the wayside and didn't become, you know, a powerful cast member on the show because they didn't fit in for some reason. It worked for me. I guess I had enough chutzpah for the dynamic to work. You're ballsy.

Kim Gravel:

You're ballsy.

Heather Thomson:

Yes. Right. You know, coming up where how I came up in the world and I was in a man's world, and I never felt like, you know, I was woman and they were man. But as an older woman, I see all the challenges, the barriers that were and in front of me compared to the men that I was working with at the time. And so I came with a little bit of a baller attitude, as you say, and I came out of a world that required that of me and it served me really well in that world. But then I started to peel that away and said, that's not really who I want to be. It served me at one point, but it doesn't serve me anymore now. I want to have a softer side and show a softer side.

Heather Thomson:

And that's really a piece of me that was growing as a 40 year old on the show to now as a 55 year old, which that piece is really important. And I bring that now into the new businesses that I create and manage. The way I manage and the people that I work with are the most important piece to it.

Kim Gravel:

Yeah. There comes a time in every woman's life where especially a scrappy kind of gals. We're scrappy. Where you have that warrior spirit. I wouldn't say hustle, because I don't think you're a hustler. I don't think you have that mentality. You really are a methodical. I can just tell by even watching you on Real Housewives and watching your career and knowing all about you.

Kim Gravel:

You're methodical, but the scrappiness is now the calling. The settling in to what is next for you.

Heather Thomson:

Yeah. And letting it be. You know, I think coming out of our worlds like the sky was always falling. Working for the. You know, I work for the best in the Business, you know, all the triple threats in Hollywood. I was musicians, actors, musicians, you know, really talented people.

Kim Gravel:

Okay, okay. Did you really start P. Diddy's apparel line?

Heather Thomson:

I sure did, girl.

Kim Gravel:

What are you thinking about all this craziness going on now?

Heather Thomson:

Well, I'm very happy to see the outcome, you know, of the trial today. I mean, we happened to be recording this on the. On the day, really. Day after he was acquitted for some of the charges. You're the first person actually I've spoken to about it publicly at all because a lot of people wanted to know what I knew. And it's like, that's a very ridiculous question. I worked for Puff many, many years ago. The man that I know and the man that I believe to be is in there.

Heather Thomson:

And I think Hollywood and power can do a lot to a person. Absolute power. Absolutely. And I think that there's some addictions involved in these things. And I think that he's gotten a second chance, and I'm gunning for him to do something really great with it.

Kim Gravel:

Well, you know what, you say that. Because when you say power and money in Hollywood, and that isn't business, in my opinion. I'd love your take on that. Business is different. And I'm not saying business is not dog eat dog. It is. But my daddy used to always say this to me. My dad said, babe, you'll always be successful in business because of your personal life.

Kim Gravel:

And I see that. I see that in you. I see that in other women and men who really have a solid foundation and they come up that way. Do you agree with that? Do you think that has helped you in your life?

Heather Thomson:

I believe in that completely. And I also believe the rules of the game have changed. God, thank God, you know, I mean, at 55 years old, the world of corporate America that I came up in and the things that I endured, my daughter at 18 years old, would never, ever endure. It's a totally different playing field for her. And I'm so happy about that. So I didn't feel most of the men that I came up with. And I am an advocate for both men and women. I believe in both of us.

Heather Thomson:

And we need all of us, and together we need each other. There is right. But there was a time where things in business, women had to endure. And I think that time has lifted. And some of it was a lot of fun, I have to say. I don't want to get all dried up and too within the bumpers of what's right and what's wrong. I think we all know what's right and what's wrong. And I think a work environment that is a safe environment that you can have fun in and you can mess around and not be afraid.

Heather Thomson:

You're going to be called to human resources on one hand, but also feel safe in your environment that you don't have to endure any type of abuse or inappropriate behavior in the workplace. Those are important places. And I believe that that gets twisted in workplaces from the top down that are led by people that allow that type of environment to exist.

Kim Gravel:

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Heather Thomson:

All.

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Kim Gravel:

We're moms, we're wives, we're daughters, we're help mates. We carry a Heavy, heavy mental load. We're CEOs, you know, we're worker bees. We're all the things. How have you managed that coming up through your business Life and at 55, what do you say to women who are just getting started? There's a lot of like entrepreneurship booming in the 50s. That's right for women.

Heather Thomson:

I think the most important word of advice I would say is be true to who you are. I, like you said, am a million miles an hour. You know, the title I would give myself is overachiever, which is a terrible title. Yes. You know, and that can really get in your way on some levels. In other levels, it makes you the one to hit the finish line first, the one to have the success first. Because I do believe hard work pays off. You know, I do believe you put in what you get out is what you put in.

Heather Thomson:

But I also believe there's different types of personalities and sometimes the slow and steady wins the race. So I say really stay true to what your personality is and who you truly are. And the things that truly make your heart sing and be around the people like minded that are like you, that do that as well. It's an uphill battle life, you know. So I like to do as much flattening of the road as I can for myself. And that involves really listening to your heart and listening as a woman to your intuition. Our instinct, our intuition is one of the best gifts we have as females. And the men, they don't get it now.

Heather Thomson:

They have other gifts and other other things that are wonderful. But that is something that a woman has that men don't have. We have that third innate sensibility, that voice. And guess what it usually is doing. It's usually caring for somebody else. It's caring for a situation that innate intuitiveness oftentimes will be warning us. Protect yourself. Remember, cover your oxygen, your mouth first with the oxygen.

Heather Thomson:

But it's usually a track and pattern that is moving into helping other people. That is what a woman is. A woman is nurturing, a woman is caring. A woman wants to see all, everybody working well together. That's in our nature. And so that's a positive in the workplace. And I might do it in a way like now, I want everybody to be happy here. What's making you unhappy? And there might be another person that suddenly says, susie, come into my office.

Heather Thomson:

You know, I've been wanting to talk to you this week. And both are right, by the way. Not one is wrong, but listening intuitively too and knowing who sits next to you. Knowing a little bit about their background, whether it's your boss or whether it's just a coworker. You have to know who you're working with. All those things matter within the work environment. So I don't believe in that. Like, you know, don't bring your home to work because everybody does.

Heather Thomson:

We spend so much of. You can't help it, you know, managing those emotions. Those are different things. Managing those emotions and what you bring to work, that's a different thing. But we are, especially with today's environment, we're working all the time. And the bigger question is, how do you cut that off and when do you separate self from work? I run into the problem when it's only work. If there's someplace you'd rather be. It becomes your life.

Heather Thomson:

That's a good thing. As long as it doesn't control your life and you still picnic and water ski and do things like that.

Kim Gravel:

Well, and you know, you're speaking from this soulful place. Were you always that way and never. When did that become the main, you know, lighthouse moment for you?

Heather Thomson:

Third trauma.

Kim Gravel:

Do you know what I'm saying?

Heather Thomson:

Yeah, I think. Yeah. I mean, that's all.

Kim Gravel:

Good old trauma. Good old trauma. We've all got it. Yep.

Heather Thomson:

Isn't that always the way that you uncover? You dig deep, you see clarity, you know, and like I said, life is an uphill battle. It really is. But that is like. But that is life. And you should embrace the challenges and not always look at it as, oh, woe is me. Life's always got me down, it's always hard on me. You know, that's kind of an immature way of looking at life. But if you start to look at life, because if we only look at the negative, that's what we see.

Heather Thomson:

But I really like to look at the little wins. Like when I was gonna be late for an appointment and all of a sudden the road opened up and somehow I was five minutes early. Like, that's a big win for me. But we never praise that. But we always praise the moment we're stuck. I mean, we always. About the moment. Part of my French.

Heather Thomson:

When we're stuck behind the slow guy, we're so quickly to kvetch and complain, but we're not as equally enough ready to praise and thank and be grateful. So gratitude is really my attitude. And that is a new way of life for me.

Kim Gravel:

Are you spiritual?

Heather Thomson:

Yes.

Kim Gravel:

Are you faith filled?

Heather Thomson:

Yes, definitely.

Kim Gravel:

Tell me a little bit about that. Because I mean, just listening to you, I'm just such A strong person of faith.

Heather Thomson:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

And that guy, that has been my guidepost and my lamp post throughout my whole entire. The lamp into my feet my whole entire life. What. What is that? Because I can just tell by the way you're talking, girl.

Heather Thomson:

Yeah. That mine's kind of. My spirituality is very cosmic based and universally based, I believe. And I love to read and talk about all different religions. You know, they tell me your experience. Yeah. So my experience was I grew up with a Protestant dad and a Catholic mom. I was raised Protestant.

Heather Thomson:

I knew about Catholicism, but my mother didn't want to raise us Catholic because she didn't want me to fear God. She didn't like that part of the Catholic Church, putting the fear of God into her children. So she liked Protestants. She thought it was a little bit more laid back and that she could teach us spirituality. And I do think it's a very important way to speak spirit, spirit and teach spirituality within the home is to talk about religion. And so that's how I grew up. And I had a wonderful experience within my church after. When I grew up and I got older, I lost my connection with the church, but I never lost my connection with God, with spirituality, with the universe.

Heather Thomson:

And that became more and more. The beacon of my light was the universal message in all of the religions. Like, they. They all have a lot of universal messages. In fact, many religions who fight with each other pray to the same deities. They pray to the same people, you know what I mean? And it's so funny to me, so, because religion does cause a lot of problems, obviously, in history. So I like to really hang my hat on one of spirituality that's universally cosmic. And my.

Heather Thomson:

My love for faith really came out in my mountain climbing. You know, you've heard a lot of mountaineers talk about that is my church. And truly the outdoors and high altitude and the struggle that goes with those climbs became my church. And I needed. I liked to suffer. I enjoyed the suffering on the side of those mountains. And it was through trauma that I needed to do that somehow. And it was there I found again my connection with God, and I found my connection with the universe.

Heather Thomson:

And now I follow people like Thich Nhat Hanh and Ram Dass and really philosophy, spiritual people who believe in the connection of you and me as humans as much as they believe in our connection with the plant and the blades of grass and the trees outdoors and the birds. And none of us could exist without the other. And so that is my universal spirituality. And so all things matter to me. Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

And I can tell Heather, I can just. I just love talking to you and hearing you talk. Actually, everybody goes through trauma, right? Like, pain is pain. I truly believe that pain is pain. And can you speak to some of the things that you've personally gone through that. That someone listening might be ministered to or can relate to with your trauma? Because I, too, I agree with you 1000%. I have learned more from the losses than I ever did from the wins. So, you know, trauma is.

Kim Gravel:

That is something that truly is universal. We all experience it.

Heather Thomson:

We all are going to have our, you know, time where we hit the mat. And it's never about how you go down. It's always about how you get up, because we're all going to hit the mat. How do you get up from life's challenges and life's knockouts? And it's faith. It's faith in the fact that everything is the way it is supposed to be. And you have to embrace the. What they say, embrace the suck. What that really means, right, is you have to embrace the bad as much as you embrace the good, because there's lessons in it.

Heather Thomson:

And if you are spiritual and you believe in the cosmic universe you're meant to go through, I call this Earth University. It's not something I coined, it's something I learned. But Earth University, you're here to go through these hardships and lessons. And when you hit the mat, you better. My encouragement to everybody is you better get up proud from the fall, from the scraped knees and the scars. That is life's lessons for you to move on in your evolution as a soul, as a human being. And it makes zero sense to someone who has lost a child, right? Or the devastation of the loss of a loved one in this earth that's so final. Or why is there sick children? Like, what God would make children sick? But if you look at it in a way almost like Buddha would look at it, and the spirituality of the chaos of the world is the purpose of this life on Earth.

Heather Thomson:

And I have to sit here in peace with it all because my path is my path, and other people's path are other people's path. And maybe that death of that soul was to elevate another soul. And so I like to always look at the balance.

Kim Gravel:

How has this trickle over or influence this new business venture that you're starting in the wellness guideline?

Heather Thomson:

Great question.

Kim Gravel:

I'm just saying, like, you're a certified health coach now, and I think at 55, I'm 54. I'll be 54 in a month. I have never thought about wellness and longevity and health like I have before when I hit my 50s.

Heather Thomson:

Absolutely.

Kim Gravel:

I would be like, what? Health? What? You know? So did that influence this Beyond Fresh new business?

Heather Thomson:

Yeah. Two things. So you asked about the trauma. So the easiest trauma to explain is one that a lot of people are aware of, and that was Jax. My little baby was born very ill, and he almost didn't survive. And so, I mean, I look at mothers who actually lost their children, and I can't even fathom it. And I came pretty damn close. So that's trauma.

Heather Thomson:

And then other traumas in life. Struggles and barriers that you have to go over. But that was a trauma. And now you ask about Beyond Fresh. So one of my traumas also was my fashion company. Yummy. I did not sell that company because I wanted to sell that company. I sell that company.

Heather Thomson:

It was so good. Yes. And it was so good. It still actually exists today in the very small form. It exists from the previous owner. I mean, from the current owner, because of the foundation we built. Because what we said we were gonna do. We did, you did.

Heather Thomson:

And the customer could believe in us. And it was encouraging. And I still believe in that. As women, we need to encourage each other and be encouraging. So the trauma was a few things, and that's one of them that people can identify to. And then the reality of this switch of perspective is there's only two ways to go in life. It's either down or it's up. Right? You know, like, nobody ever stays this.

Heather Thomson:

So that's the choice is either you're gonna. You're gonna take it and you're gonna absorb it and you're gonna be miserable for the rest of your life, or you're gonna take it and you're gonna absorb it and you're gonna overcome it, and you're gonna make you someone better in this life. And that will serve someone else that you come across from in this life. And so you can't let life beat you. Cause it's there to try.

Kim Gravel:

I gotta tell you, I talked to so many women that are saying, wanting something better, Right? And I get this, Zac. I bet we get two or three emails a week about this. How do I make it better? How do we make it better?

Heather Thomson:

The hardest thing in the world to do for most people, self love, that is the best cure. All the best healing is stop the chatter in your head that's negative. And the self talk and the bad self talk and start to encourage yourself that these are Life's challenges, and you're making it through the challenge. And again, change that perspective is all. Life always beats me up, you know? No, life beats everybody.

Kim Gravel:

Change the narrative.

Heather Thomson:

Yes and yes. Other people have it tougher than other people, all that. But stop the comparisons. This is your journey. It's your life, and it's your responsibility. Right. You are your responsibility first. So we have to lean into self.

Heather Thomson:

And what you mentioned is now you're thinking about wellness more than ever at your age. Right. Because the body has a way of making you do the things or listen to the things you need. We have a lot of longevity in our 20s and 30s. The body, the human body is an unbelievable system.

Kim Gravel:

It's a miracle.

Heather Thomson:

It's a miracle. But as we age, we have to start to pay attention to the ways we deplete it. And it doesn't have the stimulus, stamina that it used to to rebuild the mitochondria. The cells get sluggish. Why does the skin sag? Because our elastin, it's not being produced anymore. So those are things in life that we have to start to look at as we age, both men and women. And we need to listen to our bodies because it's telling you how to survive. The human body wants to live.

Kim Gravel:

Yeah. It's made to live and live well. Mitochondria, I keep seeing that everywhere. Can you. Can you speak? I did not understand from a. From a medical perspective, how that is the be all and end all for ourselves. Is it not like, get, get. I don't know anything, girl, so don't act like I know what I'm doing.

Kim Gravel:

Zac. Don't laugh, because I don't know nothing. I need Heather to tell all I know. It's been a buzzword out in social media, and I've been really kind of lightly researching it.

Heather Thomson:

So mitochondria, the easiest way to describe them is they're your energy cells. They help you have your energy, and they also, just like your skin cells, they die and reproduce. And as we get older, our mitochondria can get sluggish, and they kind of just bump into each other and they don't die off. And they. Or when they do die off, our bodies are not really exfoliating them. And so they're staying in the system. And they're what's called clogging the pathways for the clean, fresh, healthy mitochondria. So we do that.

Heather Thomson:

We deplete our mitochondria when we don't get enough sleep, when we eat processed food. And we tax our body. So things like vitamin B, magnesium, vitamin C, vitamin D, these are really important supplements for women as we age. They're almost like, I know you care about your skin. It's very easy for women to talk about skin care. Right? We all know, like the three markers for really serious skin care. You have to be on a retinol, you have to be a retin A, you've got to be on a vitamin C, you've got to be on a moisturizer. Same thing with your vitamins and your supplements.

Heather Thomson:

Vitamin B, vitamin D, magnesium. Hugely important for women at our age because that helps the mitochondria. And there are all kinds of supplements out there that will help. If you don't have low energy, your mitochondria are good. Not everybody has the same wrinkles. Our DNA is different. We age differently. We have to watch our aging and we have to listen to the signs of aging and how do we get out in front of it.

Heather Thomson:

If I have a lot of low Energy As a 55 year old, I'm going to share with my daughter as she ages to watch energy, watch your vitamin B, watch certain peptides that you have in your life. Because I now know. But there's another thing I've learned I want to share with you because it's important. We can't teach our youth all of our tricks of the trade. They have to learn themselves. I've learned that I wanted to shield my children from everything with all the knowledge. Not like, oh, don't fall down and scrape your knee or make the mistake. But I wanted to share all the knowledge I had so that they had all these big gold stars going into life.

Heather Thomson:

Like, oh, I have that one. I know how to read that one. It's baloney. The youth, like young people, need their ego. We at our age, we can start to check our egos at the door and start to understand the ego. The youth needs the ego to survive. So I can't get on with, to get into ego talk with my kids yet. So there are stages in life and if we listen to the stages in life and we read now, we have so much available to us and if it makes sense or if you take it and you don't feel any difference, it's not what you need.

Heather Thomson:

If you take it and you can tell there's a difference. Like if I go out with my supplements for a while, like, I'm like, God, I really need my supplements.

Kim Gravel:

You can feel it. You can feel it.

Heather Thomson:

Yeah. And if you don't Feel it. You don't know the difference. Listen to yourself, you know, like, I don't feel it.

Kim Gravel:

How much for you, is it a mental perspective? You know, I mean, like there's something to what you think about, you bring about. It's what you focus on, manifest. So like what part. How has that served you in your life? Because I've actually, I've actually been my own focus group with this. And I put a little recorder in my pocket and I recorded the way I talk. And I did not realize how much what comes out of my mouth is garbage about myself, about my environment. And so then I was like, let me just change. And I thought I was a pretty.

Kim Gravel:

I'm a very positive person. I mean, I thought I was a very positive person. Which positivity, whatever. I'm a realist.

Heather Thomson:

Yes.

Kim Gravel:

How much of that has affected you think you in business and in life in general? Like that mental perspective?

Heather Thomson:

It's everything I believe it is. Like it's the number one most important thing is your mindset in every way or form. You're never going to win if you feel like a loser. You're never ever going to win if you beat yourself up like that. Even if you do trust, finish line first, maybe once it'll last and you still won't enjoy it, but you're never going to get there again. Like, it's just not true. The mental energy that it takes people to overcome, to create, to be super at life. You know what I mean? And we all are.

Heather Thomson:

Some days we're really super at life and other days we're not. It has to do with mental capacity. And I will promise you this, there's going to be days. There's no way you're going to make yourself feel better. And what I say about days like that, wallow in it. Allow yourself the disappointment.

Kim Gravel:

Amen.

Heather Thomson:

Allow yourself the time to reflect and be down. You hit the mat, stay down for a minute. Because if you allow yourself, you need to cry. You need to let it out, you.

Kim Gravel:

Need to be still.

Heather Thomson:

Yeah, let it go. Don't ignore it. Don't shove it under the carpet. It's going to become an abscess. You need to let it go and realize. And if you give yourself that grace, guess what, Kimmy? You're not going to stay on that mat long. You're going to get up and you're going to brush yourself off and you're going to be like, I'm hungry.

Kim Gravel:

I'm always hungry after 50. I've noticed that about myself. I'M always hungry.

Heather Thomson:

Yeah, yeah.

Kim Gravel:

No, you're so right, though. You said something that. I love this because there's a lot of women listening to this that are over 50. And your mom opened this restaurant later in life and you've always described her as fearless. Did she inspire you? Like, was she, is she that person that was your shero?

Heather Thomson:

Like, so much so that you can't even believe the news I'm about to share with you. And I haven't told anybody this yet. I just. Breaking news, breaking news. I just opened an Inn, a 12 room inn with a restaurant and a music venue in this barn that was built in the 1700s. Yes, it's in Egremont. It's in the Berkshires of Massachusetts. It was a very spontaneous thing.

Heather Thomson:

Although we had been. My partner, Doug and I had been dreaming about it for some time, it didn't come to us in the package that we expected it to come into. But when we switched our perspective for just a minute, it was exactly what we wanted. And it's a wellness. It's a wellness package. So what I wanted to first do is open a wellness facility in the Berkshires and one that was approachable. We have beautiful Miraval and beautiful Canyon Ranch up here. But that's tough for locals to go and enjoy and pop off a sauna with their buddy, you know.

Heather Thomson:

So I wanted something that was local for the community. What I wound up doing is there was a music venue in the community that had been open for seven years and it was way back in the day, also a music venue and enclosed. And the town was so grateful for it reopening and we really love. Ran into some hard times with the previous owners and. And it had closed for a year and the community was really mourning it. And so I didn't expect wellness bar, wellness. You're like, wait a minute. But what I decided is music is the foundation of wellness.

Heather Thomson:

It's the rhythm of life. It's the heartbeat of inspiration. And so if I took it out of the pack and said, well, it's in a bar, it's a bar and restaurant. Sometimes some of the best wellness is a hootenanny night with your girlfriends, letting your hair down and rocking out to some Zeppelin cover band or something other time.

Kim Gravel:

Or a tribute band to Bon Jovi. A Bon Jovi tribute band or Journey. Okay, like I'm in for that, sis. That is wellness.

Heather Thomson:

And sometimes doing that is enjoying delicious fruit mocktails and being out socially with your friends. I want to create the environment that everything goes and you can come and be who you need to be and be who you want to be, and we create that environment for people. So that is a lot to do about mindset and perspective. I could have been stubborn in my mindset. Like, no, that's not what it is. And I would have missed the opportunity completely.

Kim Gravel:

Oh, that's so fresh.

Heather Thomson:

Yes.

Kim Gravel:

That's such a fresh way to look at wellness, y'.

Heather Thomson:

All. It literally just opened. It just. We literally just opened it. We closed on the property in April. I got shot out of a Canyon. For 10 weeks, I've been putting in 17 hour days.

Kim Gravel:

You love it. You love it. You. And I love those kind of diamonds.

Heather Thomson:

I feel like it's a Runway show, you know what I mean? And I gotta make it because everyone's there watching. But don't you think that's women? Yes, we love it.

Kim Gravel:

It's like women, we love to figure the thing out.

Heather Thomson:

Out.

Kim Gravel:

You never go to dad to solve a problem. You never. No one ever goes, dad, what do I do? No one ever does that. They always go, mom, I need this, Mom. But isn't it true? So you're saying think out of the box. Think out of the box.

Heather Thomson:

And, you know, I'm a fish out of water. But guess what? I've never opened an inn. I've never opened a music venue and a bar. But I grew up in the restaurant business, and I know service and widgets are widgets at the end of the day. So mom does come through on this one. And my business experience and my accoutrement of business experience is all leading right into here. Because at the end of the day, widgets are widgets and customer service is customer service, and stellar customer service is all I ever want. So it's very rare to find.

Heather Thomson:

And like you and I do, we also provide community to our base and the people who are with us and the people that are watching you on the airways. It's more than just clothing. And that's a really special gift that you have. And I love to embrace as much as I possibly can.

Kim Gravel:

You know, I. My philosophy in business and in life in general is we're in the people business, not the product business. That is my mantra. That is what I. All the employees that we have, all the vendors and the people that I work with. Because at the end of the day, people are buying you.

Heather Thomson:

Right?

Kim Gravel:

You're buying me, they're buying. You can buy anything anywhere.

Heather Thomson:

Exactly.

Kim Gravel:

You know what I'm saying?

Heather Thomson:

But.

Kim Gravel:

It'S such a blessing. How do you see Being able to create and put art products, experience into the world. Because you led with this, you're so grateful.

Heather Thomson:

Yes. It's the greatest gift I have. I literally can look. If I had to pray to God right now, I would say to him or her, thank you. You have given me truly everything I've ever asked you for. It may not have come in the packages that I expected it. It may have come with a kick in the pants. But when I sit back and look at my life, everything that I dreamed of, I have manifested and I have had the sword of the universe.

Heather Thomson:

Something as simple as. As a little girl, I always wanted a boy first and a girl second. And I wanted my girl to be a brunette because I grew up blonde. It was like little silly things like that. Guess what? That's what I have. I wanted my daughter to look more like my husband and my son to look more like me. That's what I have. These are childhood dreams.

Heather Thomson:

And I say something very simple as that. Because when you then peel back the book of your life, we have so much to be grateful for. The manifestation that really happens. Not with your daughter's hair color necessarily, but that's an easy example to say. If you really wish for something and you really work hard at it, you can get what you wish for. Sometimes without a whole lot of hard work and sometimes with a lot of sweat and tears. But the earth will give you what you put into it. I believe it.

Heather Thomson:

And thank you, God. Amen.

Kim Gravel:

Yes, thank you, God. And thank you, Heather, because I will say this. At the end of the day, at 54, it's really simple.

Heather Thomson:

Yeah, yeah.

Kim Gravel:

It seems. I mean, I was like, oh, my God. I'm struggling, stress. And I'm just like, oh, God.

Heather Thomson:

So simple, right?

Kim Gravel:

But we have to be that jersey.

Heather Thomson:

But it's the truth. Because you know why you made it to the other side. What a blessing. What a BLESSING that you're 54 and I'm 55 and we're sitting here alive on this beautiful planet Earth, talking to each other. How many of your friends and loved ones aren't here that didn't get to make it this far?

Kim Gravel:

And we are getting to start new things. That's what I want. Women over 50, any age really, but specifically for us women who are maybe empty nesters. I have an 18 year old too, so I have an 18 year old, 16 year old, and it's such a blessing. But I have a little bit more free time, I have a little bit more experience to start these great adventures in Life. And you are definitely adventure and thrill seeker for sure. When is it over? Is it ever over? Like talk to the women out there saying, I could never do that. I could never, you know, start something new or do something different.

Heather Thomson:

Yes, believe in yourself and let your heart carry you. If you're kind of thinking about something and you know your life is pretty good and you're like, I think I want to do it. Like, forget it. You have to want it with everything you think about all the time. You gotta wait thinking about it. You know, go to bed thinking about it. Talk to your friends about it. Keep dropping the idea.

Heather Thomson:

If you're talking about something like that and it's out of your warehouse and nothing you've ever tried before, I say run to that. Don't walk, get after it right away and don't stop if you're having it hot. Like, maybe I'll do something and maybe I won't do something. Then ask yourself the question and don't answer it. What is it I want? What is it I truly want? Because that is a question. That's right. And we lie to ourselves all the time about the answer. We constantly.

Heather Thomson:

Because a lot of times we answer what we think people will be impressed by, or what we think our mothers want us to do, or our husbands want us to do, or our children's want us to be, and we're not really true to ourselves. And there's other times where the truth is scary and so we push it under the carpet and we shove it. And then guess what happens? Years go by and regret builds and bitterness happens. And then you become a curmudgeoning old person. Well, you know.

Kim Gravel:

Oh my gosh, you just read my mail. No, I'm serious. It's so true. It's so true, isn't it?

Heather Thomson:

We don't have to be that person.

Kim Gravel:

You do not have to be the curmudgeony old person.

Heather Thomson:

It's never too late. It's never too late. Look what I just did. I just opened a whole new business. And so I had a friend of mine say to me, why would you do that? That's so much work. And I'm like, because it's fun. What else am I gonna do? Crawl under a rock and die? I like you said, I have a lot of freedom. I'm in phase three, baby.

Heather Thomson:

You know what I'm saying? I got one more quarter left of this life and I'm going to make it count. You know what I mean? I'm in phase three. And so my 50s until 75 and then 75 to 100. God willing, I hope. When does it end? When I flatline, baby. That's when it ends. Then it only just flatlines.

Kim Gravel:

Exactly.

Heather Thomson:

No, but then, guess what? It only begins again because my soul gets to go on its journey home, and then I get to go back up and they say, well, you did pretty good at this, Heather. Yeah. Business, career. You were pretty good. Oh, there's a few things in relationships we could work on. Get back down to Earth University and do it over again.

Kim Gravel:

I love it. Okay, so before we go, I do rapid fire questions.

Heather Thomson:

I love.

Kim Gravel:

I don't know about you, but my favorite thing is nonsensical, crazy, random stuff about people. I think that is the fun part of life. So I'm just gonna ask you rapid fire question and I won't have to worry about this. What comes in, comes up, comes out. So whatever you just say, there's not a bad. Just say it. Okay, here we go. Rapid fire questions.

Kim Gravel:

What is your biggest pet peeve?

Heather Thomson:

Oh, I don't have a lot of patience. So slow. People like. People who, like, mosey through things. Like mosey and. In New York City, I'm like, I gotta get. I gotta get. Bye.

Heather Thomson:

In the airport. Yeah. Mosiers. Oh. My friend Carol Brazil has tried to teach me to be a Mosier. I really stink at it, and so it's kind of annoying when people are mos.

Kim Gravel:

She's a Mosi.

Heather Thomson:

She's a Mosier.

Kim Gravel:

And can I just say this, Heather? Everybody in my life basically is a Mosier. And I guess God is trying to teach me patience because I.

Heather Thomson:

That's a Southern thing.

Kim Gravel:

You're in the South, Kim. That's full of Mosiers. That's just, you know, you gotta get to New York. Get to the point. Okay, here we go.

Heather Thomson:

Your territory.

Kim Gravel:

If there was a new yoga pose named after you, what would it be called? Holla.

Heather Thomson:

What would it look like? We have to put our arms out or something and our legs out all.

Kim Gravel:

At the same time. Oh, that actually felt good. I think you should create it. Okay.

Heather Thomson:

Nice and stretchy.

Kim Gravel:

What's one thing you wish you did more often?

Heather Thomson:

Worked out. Got myself sweaty. I know.

Kim Gravel:

Do you really wish you did that more? I mean, this is real.

Heather Thomson:

It's real because of the mental benefits you get from it. And I, you know, I've run the New York marathon. I've hiked mountains. You know, I'm an athlete. I love to work out. And it's just at this stage of my life, my Pilates is my. You know, I don't, like, literally, I will miss. I will not miss Pilates for any.

Heather Thomson:

I mean, like, literally, Obama could call me and I'd be like, sorry, I have Pilates. I go to my Pilates class. I don't let anything interrupt it. It's what I do. But you don't sweat in Pilates, and I love Pilates, but I wish I could sweat to the oldies a little bit more or do something get workouty. I'm missing that right now in my life.

Kim Gravel:

I wish that was mine. Okay, here we go. What is your dream guest at your new inn? Who would be your dream guest?

Heather Thomson:

Oh, God. It would be a handful of musicians, and so I guess I'm gonna just take it home. And I'd say Beyonce, because she's my girl.

Kim Gravel:

Okay.

Heather Thomson:

And I would love to show her what I did. You know what I mean? And I would love to be like, look, I have a music venue.

Kim Gravel:

What the heck?

Heather Thomson:

You know, even Jennifer Lopez, you know, even Puff, I would like to show them all that I now have a music venue. Their creative director, fashion designer. Yeah, I think those. And then any other theme is like, Jon Bon Jovi can come around. Bruce Springsteen, Robert Plant should come visit. You know, I want John Topher to come just so he can be like, you did everything perfect here. He's the bar rescue guy.

Kim Gravel:

He's the connoisseur of that. So let me. Is Jennifer Lopez's butt real? And is it as good as it looks on camera?

Heather Thomson:

100%. It is definitely real. That is 100% DNA. And I've seen Jen and Beyonce both naked. They both have beautiful bodies. They're beautiful women. And watch their bodies grow. Jen was young when we worked together.

Heather Thomson:

We were in our 30s, you know what I mean? So they've done both a beautiful job keeping themselves up.

Kim Gravel:

And look, I don't care if it's real or not. I don't give a rip if it's real. Not. It looks Good also after 50. Yeah. I'm saying do what you got.

Heather Thomson:

Yeah. Hey, listen. Okay, but, like, you do have to celebrate, you know, the real trend. Like, you know, if a good. If a good. But is trending, you got to give the real one it's due.

Kim Gravel:

Start with authentic. Okay. What is the most underrated food in the world, in your opinion?

Heather Thomson:

You're going to hate my answer.

Kim Gravel:

Oh, my gosh. Is it something healthy?

Heather Thomson:

Yes. Okay. It's tofu. And the reason why I say that is because tofu takes on the flavor of Anything you cook with it. So you can make sure.

Kim Gravel:

I knew you were gonna hate my answer. I don't wanna be that rude. I don't wanna be that rude.

Heather Thomson:

I think it's gross. And I'm not vegetarian. I do eat meat, but I do.

Kim Gravel:

Think my husband's a vegetarian.

Heather Thomson:

Yeah. I do think that some of the alternate. The vegetarian alternatives in food are underrated because they are quite delicious. And so they're judged.

Kim Gravel:

They're judged harshly.

Heather Thomson:

Yes, they're judged harshly. Exactly.

Kim Gravel:

Tofu is good.

Heather Thomson:

I actually.

Kim Gravel:

I don't know if it's the most underrated. It's very good. I love it.

Heather Thomson:

Well, un underrated for me.

Kim Gravel:

I'm gonna stand behind that for. Yeah, yeah.

Heather Thomson:

I think West Taste is underrated. Like, you know, I mean, I love that. Yeah, that's it.

Kim Gravel:

I think that is a brilliant answer.

Heather Thomson:

I'm taking tofu.

Kim Gravel:

I've had tofu and didn't always having tofu. So you're right.

Heather Thomson:

Yeah, it is okay. As a meat alternative. A lot more than you think you can. Or for a protein source, I should say more than you think you can. And I would encourage women of our age to get more protein.

Kim Gravel:

I'm going to get totally just Real Housewives ratchet on you. Favorite housewives of all time in any franchise but New York in particularly.

Heather Thomson:

Well, I have to say, my friends, you know what I mean? Like, I loved. I love being on the show with Carolyn Aviva. I think we made a really good trio on the team. So I love both of their roles that they played during those seasons with me. You know what I mean? I think that those were really important. I would probably say of the iconic ones, funny enough, this is the way I felt about Luann De Lesseps when I first saw the show.

Kim Gravel:

I love Luann.

Heather Thomson:

Me too. I felt like I could relate to Louis. So I would have to say, out of like the iconic housewives of our franchise, Luann is my favorite.

Kim Gravel:

Luann and I did a lot of Steve Harvey together and we broke bread several times. And she is a hot mess. She is a hot mess in the best way.

Heather Thomson:

Exactly. And she.

Kim Gravel:

I'll never forget this story, Heather.

Heather Thomson:

She's true to who Luann is. That's right.

Kim Gravel:

That is who she is. We were having dinner in this big Chicago. We both were being on Steve Harvey. So we said, let's meet for dinner. And you know, in the. In the hotel restaurant.

Heather Thomson:

Yeah, I was on the show a lot too. I remember when you were on his show.

Kim Gravel:

Yeah, I know. I'm like, we have been circling the band each other. And, you know, I had a reality show, Kim of Queens. And of course, she was a Real Housewives. And so the place was packed, right? And so everybody was staring at the table. Staring at the table. I will never forget this. I laugh so hard.

Kim Gravel:

I love Lou. And I thought, well, they're going to come up. You know, everybody's notes. Luann, you know, because I just had one season of a little reality TV show and. And it was Men and Women. And they come over, they're like, Kim Gravel. And Lou goes, what the. What's going on?

Heather Thomson:

Yeah, she does not like that.

Kim Gravel:

She was blown away. I was blown away. Cause they were just little old soccer. They were there for some kind of soccer tournament. So they all watched Lifetime, but Lou is. Lou goes, oh, my God, it was just great. She's so real. She's so true.

Heather Thomson:

Yeah. No, it's like she'd almost like go ready to sign the autograph and then be like, what?

Kim Gravel:

Oh, she was. It was fantastic. And we laughed till we peed. We laugh till we pee. Okay, who's your least favorite? Who's the best?

Heather Thomson:

That's such an easy answer for me. Is Ramona. Yeah. What?

Kim Gravel:

That's serious.

Heather Thomson:

That's surprising.

Kim Gravel:

Is she a brick short of a load?

Heather Thomson:

Oh, yeah, she's tough.

Kim Gravel:

Okay. She's tough.

Heather Thomson:

She seems to be a little. Really? The honest truth.

Kim Gravel:

Not self aware. Not self aware?

Heather Thomson:

No, not at all. It doesn't care. You know what I mean? There's one thing.

Kim Gravel:

I gotta respect that, though.

Heather Thomson:

Yeah, I do. I do have to respect that, but I don't have to be around it. You know what I mean? So, like, that's really where I left it with her, because I. But you know what, though?

Kim Gravel:

Heather, she probably appreciates that. I mean, like, she probably is unaware. You know what I'm saying?

Heather Thomson:

She's definitely unaware. Like, if I ran into her at a party, she might just say hi to me. Or not. I don't know. I would personally avoid her. I really would. And I can't say that about anybody. I really can't.

Heather Thomson:

I just. Because after my first three seasons on the show, that was one thing. When I returned to the show many years afterwards and Ramona was really off camera, just. Just a. Just a. Not a nice person. Like a terrible person. And I think that life is so hard, like I say, the uphill battle that I don't.

Heather Thomson:

That she can be that and she can be friend, nicely nice to the people she wants to be nice to. And Mean to the people she wants to be mean to. That is her prerogative, and I won't judge it to your point. I'll give credit where credit's due. At least she's consistent. But I don't have to be around it. And so that makes her my least favorite housewife. Because I wouldn't say that about any of the other women.

Heather Thomson:

Well.

Kim Gravel:

And you know what? What I love about you is you are what you are, Heather, and you always have been. There's never been an inconsistency in who you are and the character and the integrity you bring to the game of business.

Heather Thomson:

Thank you.

Kim Gravel:

Whatever genre you're in, I have just some really petty two last little petty questions because you got it. The sauce, your favorite junk food. And when I say that if you throw kale chips dipped in chocolate. No, I like down and dirty. Psycho could possibly kill you if consumed in large amounts. Food.

Heather Thomson:

Those are easy. For me, it's pizza ice cream. I love ice cream a lot. I love pizza. You're not gonna like this, but one of my favorite flavors is vanilla, but it has to be bean. Vanilla bean. Delicious. Creamy vanilla ice cream.

Heather Thomson:

But I like the ones that are all mixed together, too. Like the chocolate brownie, chunk, moose, trout. Yeah, all that stuff. Coffee. I love coffee ice cream.

Kim Gravel:

Oh, coffee.

Heather Thomson:

There's a brand. I'm gonna forget the name out of it right now, but they're out of Santa Barbara, and it's my favorite ice cream brand. And I can't remember. I can't remember the name. John. I was gonna ask.

Kim Gravel:

I've never had it.

Heather Thomson:

Oh, Kimmy.

Kim Gravel:

Okay. Is it creamy? Is it creamy? Or is it, like. Tell me. Like, is it. I'm a texture eater.

Heather Thomson:

It's. Me, too. It's cream. It's the perfect amount of cream. Where it's not, like, too creamy. Where it's like. It dissipates on your tongue. Where.

Heather Thomson:

And the flavors that they use are so delicious. And theirs is my favorite vanilla ice cream. I swear to God. OConnell's ice cream. Nursed one of my dear. My dear friend Brian's dad, Gary, who I grew up with. He was. They.

Heather Thomson:

They took him off of life. He was on a feeding tube. They took him off of the feeding tube. I went in there and fed him McConnell's ice cream. Vanilla ice cream. He wouldn't stop eating it. He went back. He's out of the hospital.

Heather Thomson:

I swear to God. It saved his life.

Kim Gravel:

Yeah, because he got. He started eating. He started eating.

Heather Thomson:

He started eating again. That Ice cream. It'll save your life. It won't kill you. It'll save your life. And they make the best ice cream. Pizza is, I think, the most perfect food on the planet.

Kim Gravel:

It really is. And it's. But it's not really that junky.

Heather Thomson:

Well, it could be a thousand calories a slice, God forbid. I mean, and more, you know, a.

Kim Gravel:

Big slice of thin crust. I get thin crust, huh?

Heather Thomson:

Me too. And I like sourdough crust. I do take pizzas. You can make pizza healthier. You definitely can. There's even a vegan pizza that I love. It's called the Vegetazoni. It's by this company up here called Baba Louise.

Heather Thomson:

And it's a bunch of vegetables like broccoli and onions and mushrooms. And they put it on red sauce and they cover it with, like, Daiya cheese, which is good. And that's a dairy alternative. Yeah, it's a great pizza. I love that. And you do it on, like, a spelt crust. That's a really healthy pizza. And it still is delicious.

Heather Thomson:

It's still like, that idea of folding it in half and eating it. And one. Yum.

Kim Gravel:

I love pizza, and I want seriously, just purely for looks. I don't want to know their heart. I don't want to know what you think about their acting or what they do in life. Who is your celebrity crush? Like, just raw, real. He's hot, she's hot. That's all I want to know.

Heather Thomson:

It comes from my childhood. It's Brad Pitt. He'll always be the hottest man in Hollywood.

Kim Gravel:

He's still hot.

Heather Thomson:

I love him. I think his heart and soul are pure and delicious. I love Brad Pitt.

Kim Gravel:

Have you ever met him?

Heather Thomson:

I've never met Brad, but I've come close, and I would love to meet him. But a girlfriend of mine, Nancy's a publicist, and she's worked with him a lot and speaks so highly of him. Like, he truly is the package that you see. He's the good guy that you believe he is. He is. That's what I hear.

Kim Gravel:

Joe Black changed my life. Not because of the content of the movie, just because of the way he looked in that movie.

Heather Thomson:

Thelma Louise changed my life, and I.

Kim Gravel:

Think he changed a lot of our lives. Okay, I've got something controversial just because it's in the zeitgeist of the world. If you could say something today to Sean P. Diddy Combs, what would it be? What would your Heather advice be?

Heather Thomson:

It would definitely be, I love you and you can do better and I know you're better, and I'm gonna watch you do better. And I believe in you.

Kim Gravel:

Yep.

Heather Thomson:

That's what I would say to her.

Kim Gravel:

I love that. That's who you are. You can follow Heather on Instagram and Facebook at I am Heathert. Her wellness podcast is called Health Harmony. And Heather go stay in her new inn. What's it called again, Heather?

Heather Thomson:

It's called the Button Ball. Isn't that so funny? So it's Button Ball, Barn and Inn. Isn't that fun? Yes. Isn't it fun? Because we didn't want. The lane right next to us is called Button Ball Lane. A button ball tree is actually a sycamore tree. Right. Which is really fun.

Heather Thomson:

The meaning of that is rooting community, like loyalty. Like, there's all the tradition. There's all these things, like if you chat GPT a button ball tree, what it stands for. And we were like, this is perfect. It was my friend, my partner, Dud's. Yeah. And I was like, oh, my God. I love it because it's.

Kim Gravel:

And I love the alliteration.

Heather Thomson:

Yes, exactly. Exactly. So it was previously the Egremont, because that's the town. It's in the Egremont Village Inn and Barn. The Egremont Barn. But we have changed it to Button Ball Barn it in. And you better come see me.

Kim Gravel:

I'm gonna come see you, girl. I'm gonna come up to the Berkshire.

Heather Thomson:

I love it.

Kim Gravel:

I've always wanted to be up to the Birch.

Heather Thomson:

I love her name on it.

Kim Gravel:

Honey, I am so bougie. Okay, Heather, thank you for coming on the show.

Heather Thomson:

Thank you so much for having me and everybody for listening. Thank you. I love you all back.

Kim Gravel:

Heather, you are just solid. I love you. I just loved you on the show. I'm so glad we are connected. 

Kim:

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