The Transformative Power of Forgiveness

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Kim Gravel:

I just wanted to talk today about this powerful transformative force that is forgiveness. When you forgive, you let go. Those two things go hand in hand. When I was praying about it, God was like, I've forgiven. So I've made it possible for you to forgive, to reconcile doesn't mean playing the blame game. It means you have to accept. Oh, I won't say something might be very controversial here. So.

Kim Gravel:

It's the Kim Gravel Show. It's the Kim Gravel Show. Hello, y', all, and welcome to the Kim Gravel Show. I am Kim Gravel, and I'm joined by my one and only producer, Zac. Zac, how are you today? You've got a sick. You've got a sick baby in the corner over there watching, like, kid Netflix.

Zac Miller:

I do. I have a sick child about 10ft away from me. I do not think she's gonna make an appearance on the show. I am sorry, everybody in the audience.

Kim Gravel:

But, you know, she's here. She's learning.

Zac Miller:

She's here.

Kim Gravel:

And we've got a good. We've got a good show today. We're gonna be talking about the power of forgiveness.

Zac Miller:

That's true. That is true. But wait, I wanna hijack the show for a second because I heard about this thing over the weekend and I wanted to ask you, have you ever heard of a Jesus nut?

Kim Gravel:

No.

Zac Miller:

Or a Jesus pin?

Kim Gravel:

Like a writing pin?

Zac Miller:

No, like, pin. Like a pin that you pin into something.

Kim Gravel:

No, I have a Jesus pen that. I'm part of the Jesus pen Club. That's a writing pin that we have. We have, like, all the girls at qvc. But no, I mean. And I've been called a Jesus nut. But no, I've not seen.

Zac Miller:

Okay. Yeah, no, I was just.

Kim Gravel:

I've been called a lot of things, actually. I've been called a lot of things that I have to forgive people for, by the way. But Jesus nut. I'll take that one. I don't know, ask for forgiveness for that one.

Zac Miller:

I didn't even. Honestly, Kim, that is so funny. Cause I did not even take it to that place. Like, that is hilarious. I didn't even think about it.

Kim Gravel:

I've been caught a Jesus nut.

Zac Miller:

So I found out that. So helicopter. So this is like, we're going way outfield. So helicopters, Kim. Right? A helicopter, like, has a rotor, right. That's spinning on the top of it.

Kim Gravel:

Right, Right.

Zac Miller:

And there is literally, in most helicopters, one nut that is connecting the rotor to the rest of the helicopter. So they call it. Yeah, they call it the Jesus nut. Because you pray to Jesus that it doesn't fail. So I was like, there's no way that's true. And I looked it up, and it's on Wikipedia. So here, let me show you. This is the Jesus nut.

Zac Miller:

Here it is. Here it is. Here it is. That's the Jesus nut. And the pin goes right into that right there. So they're both.

Kim Gravel:

That's it.

Zac Miller:

And that's it. The reason why I'm bringing this up is because it is this idea that there is a single point of failure, right? This is like. It's like a linchpin. Right? That's a similar sort of term for this. But, you know, there are so many places in our lives, and I was thinking about, like, okay, how, like, this totally feels like it fits in so well to what our show is about at a deeper level, because there are so many places in our lives where there is one sort of point of failure, that something has to go right in order for everything else to go right. And I think that it's worth taking a moment and reflecting on that and thinking about sort of the way that, you know, God or Jesus or whoever sort of lines up those things for you in your life to make other things possible. And I think that's really interesting. But I also am like, oh, my gosh.

Zac Miller:

Like, I don't feel like I'm scared of helicopters, to be honest.

Kim Gravel:

There's two things I'm gonna respond to on this. A, I don't know if I'm gonna ride in a helicopter ever again. And B, I think forgiveness is a Jesus nut for a lot of our lives.

Zac Miller:

Okay?

Kim Gravel:

I think it is a linchpin. I think it is a point of either opportunity or failure in your life. Forgiveness is. I mean, if you're a person of faith, like I am, forgiveness is why Jesus even came.

Zac Miller:

Yeah. Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

That's the whole thing that is. You talk about a linchpin, talk about Jesus nut. That is it right there. So, you know, and it's for those of you who are listening, saying, well, I don't have that kind of faith. I don't have your faith. But forgiveness still can be a game changer for people in their lives. And it is almost. Unforgiveness is almost like disease and sickness just waiting to erupt in your body.

Kim Gravel:

Medically, that has been proven. Bitterness, anger, everything, all of that unforgiveness. And so I wanted to talk about that today because I. There's a few things in my life personally right now that I'm having to will myself to let Go and forgive.

Zac Miller:

Oh, okay.

Kim Gravel:

Yeah.

Zac Miller:

All right. We're gonna pry, we're gonna, we're gonna pry in and find out.

Kim Gravel:

I can't get into it. It's because it's, it's, it's in business, it's in something to do with a family member. So it's just, it's a lot of. And I wanted to do the podcast today because I didn't realize how much I had not forgiven. Because honestly, when you forgive, you let go. Those two things go hand in hand. And so I just wanted to talk today about the, this powerful transformative force that is forgiveness. I used to be in the makeover business.

Kim Gravel:

I had a TV show about makeovers. I've done a million makeovers on women everywhere. But some of us and some of you listening here, and for me, even, I'm preaching to the choir here. I need a makeover in forgiveness because that when you don't forgive and not just other people, sometimes you just got to forgive yourself. And we'll get into it. But when you don't forgive, you live with guilt and bitterness and resentment. And that's just, that is just not good. It's not good for your health, it's not good for your body.

Kim Gravel:

It stops growth, it stops advancement. And there is such power in forgiveness. A lot of people listening right now. I have a Bible guide that on forgiveness. It's a 21 day guide that just walks you through forgiveness and I tell some of my own personal story. So we'll tell you a little bit later about where you can go to Download that. It's BibleLifeGuides.com but we'll get into that. But I just, I want you to really.

Kim Gravel:

Let's talk about, let's get into it because when we say there's steps and there's reasons for forgiveness that are just beyond the other person, I want you to be a little selfish when you were talking about forgiveness today. And look at it is not only a benefit for the other person, but a total requirement and necessity for yourself. So I want to talk about first reconciliation, because reconciliation is this restoring yourself and the feelings that you have. Let's just say that you're going through a divorce and you've been cheated on or you've been done dirty or done wrong. Maybe it's a divorce that you're like, you're just glad to be out of it, right?

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

But you can't seem to move on. Now there's a grieving process. We're not talking about grief today. We're talking about unforgiveness and in reconciliation, it doesn't mean that you're reconciling with that person or that forgiving that person. It's justifying their behavior. But reconciliation is talking about how to restore a person and restore a relationship not with the person that you're forgiving, but with yourself. You're. You're almost like letting yourself off the hook.

Kim Gravel:

You're letting that. It seems like you're letting that person off the hook, but you're really coming to terms with and reconciling that. Oh, I want to say something might be very controversial here, so if it is, do it out. But a lot of time unforgiveness, because there's two sides to every story. Unforgiveness is more about you, says more about you than it does what's been done to you.

Zac Miller:

Yeah, it's interesting. It's funny, you say you use the word unforgiveness, which. It's funny, it makes me think, have you seen the movie Unforgiven? Which is an amazing western movie. But it's all about. It's one of my favorite films actually. And it's all about the powers of the stories we tell about ourselves. It's all about myth making and it's all about. We believe certain things about ourselves and we have trouble letting go of those things.

Zac Miller:

And I think, like, as I think about it and as you said that it makes me realize like those two things come go totally hand in hand. You believe certain stories and a certain narrative about yourself or what you've been.

Kim Gravel:

Through or what you've been through or what's been done to you.

Zac Miller:

Yep, yep, yep. You can't let go of someone like me. You know, I've been done wrong. That is like, that doesn't fit with. And, and you can't let it go.

Kim Gravel:

Yeah. Because.

Zac Miller:

And it can tear you apart. It can kill you.

Kim Gravel:

Right. Because the first thing in forgiving, whether it be yourself or anyone else, is this reconciliation. You have to restore. You have to restore relationship. Not with the person. Maybe it is with the person. But you have to tell the truth. Restoration comes when the truth is revealed.

Kim Gravel:

And y', all, I'm telling you, a lot of times we hold on to forgiveness. I'm speaking for myself. We, we hold on to that bitterness and that not willingness to forgive because of our own personal hang ups. Yeah. Our own fault in it. And I'm going to tell you most the time. I'm not gonna say all the time. Most the time, there is a small part we have played.

Kim Gravel:

And being done wrong, that is so controversial. I know.

Zac Miller:

I don't think that's controversial. I think. I think everyone.

Kim Gravel:

It is because there's. There's some things that things just happen to you, and you. You cannot control it. And it's just bad. Bad people do bad things. But nine times out of 10, a lot of the things what I. I've dealt with personally recently in business, I was so mad and so angry and so bitter. Not in a bad way, just.

Kim Gravel:

Just in a miffed way. Yeah. And I thought. And I thought I was going to control it and how to fix it. La la la. And I finally just was like, I just got to just reconcile in my mind that this is just not meant to be. And then when I started doing that, I started realizing. And what part did I play with this going wrong? And when I started looking at reconciling not only the other people's behavior, but my behavior, I started waking up to go, wait a minute.

Kim Gravel:

It's not that anyone's at fault here. It's that it's just not meant to be. It's time to let it go. And that's when you're talking about, like, being able to move on. You have to get to a grounding place of reconciliation first.

Zac Miller:

So can I ask you, Kim, and maybe this is too early. Maybe you can tell me that we can go through this at the end or later on, but what does that look like for you? How did that. You said you sort of struggled with it, but you got there. What does that actually look like? How do you, you know, are you sitting alone in a. In a dark room? Are you, you know, what are you actually doing?

Kim Gravel:

You know me, I'm running my mouth about it. I'm complaining about it. I'm murmuring, I'm. I'm fighting, I'm angry. I'm calling Amy, I'm calling Travis. I'm calling everybody. I'm like, I can't believe this, talking to you about it. I mean, we've talked about this situation and just, you know, just, you know, just talking it out, venting it out, really like that.

Kim Gravel:

You know, everybody goes through that process different. I'm a very. A verbal person. I'm a very loud person. So for me, it's just talking it out, fighting it out. You know, some people, it's inner dialogue. It's thinking. You know, you just have to come to terms with it.

Kim Gravel:

That's what reconciliation is. It's not letting people off the hook. So to speak. It's just understanding that it takes two to tango, and it takes two to break up, and it takes two to mess it up. And there's a lot of factors involved. Nine times out of 10, when things are go astray.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

And a lot of times, we can sit in our victimhood. And some people are rightfully so. They were the victim. But I didn't wanna stay there. I want to move on. And reconciliation was first thing that came to my mind, because it's like, when I was praying about it, God was like, I've forgiven, so I've made it possible for you to forgive. And let me just say, in this situation with me, it's really forgiving myself more for even getting into it to begin with.

Zac Miller:

Right. You're like, how can I be so stupid? Right? I mean, not again. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but.

Kim Gravel:

No, no, you're right. How can I? What? What did I not see?

Zac Miller:

Yeah. How did I miss this?

Kim Gravel:

How'd I miss it?

Kim Gravel:

But for whoever's listening to this, if you are dealing with unforgiveness, and you might not even know you are, it might just be this hankering, this little gnawing, this little. It could be. I mean, y', all, it could be anything. It could be something really big that's happened to you. It could be something really minute. I mean, road rage. I mean, just little things that people do that set you off is really kind of a sign that you have. I'm gonna be so transparent here.

Kim Gravel:

I hope my sister does not kill me, but I think she lives with unforgiveness in her life for herself, for things that she has experienced in the past. And I think it eats her alive. I wish you were here.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

Maybe we'll have her on. Maybe we'll do a part two of this.

Zac Miller:

Maybe we should. I mean, that's really interesting, because road rage trigger.

Kim Gravel:

You.

Zac Miller:

Wait, road rage made you think of that? Does Allison have a lot of road rage? Kim?

Kim Gravel:

She does.

Zac Miller:

Okay.

Kim Gravel:

Everything is fist up.

Zac Miller:

Right? Right.

Kim Gravel:

And so I'm just. And I can only say this about her, and I can't speak for her. We're going to have a part two. We're going to do forgiveness part two on this, because Allison needs to come and speak for herself, but. And she can tell her story of where I think this all. Where the unforgiveness is coming for herself. But reconciliation is a must. It's a first step.

Kim Gravel:

Again, when you say reconcile, can you look up the word of that, because I think it means restore. I just want you to read the Webster's Dictionary of what that means. Because you can't do the other two steps. Have the other two steps without reconciliation.

Zac Miller:

Yeah. So reconcile. There's a few definitions. To restore to friendship or harmony.

Kim Gravel:

Okay.

Zac Miller:

To settle, resolve to settle or resolve to make consistent or congruous, which is pretty interesting. And to cause. To submit to or accept something unpleasant.

Kim Gravel:

Okay, well, there you go. That is it. That's what we're talking about, Willis. Say that again, Zac.

Zac Miller:

To submit or accept something unpleasant.

Kim Gravel:

Period.

Zac Miller:

Period.

Kim Gravel:

To accept, it doesn't matter who's at fault. To reconcile doesn't mean playing the blame game. It means you have to accept.

Zac Miller:

I think you know too. It's. It's like once you've accepted that. Right, it's no longer with you. You no longer feel that. That fists up that rage that know something is going to set you off. I think that is what it is. Right? Right.

Zac Miller:

It's just. Okay, there's.

Kim Gravel:

Can I just say this? We are living in a world of good and bad, evil and good. And it's true. There's evil, there's good, there's all of that. But sometimes things just are. Like, I had a conversation with my son about this for his public speaking class and he just hates it. He just. Not that he hates the class. He just.

Kim Gravel:

It's an 8 o' clock class on a Tuesday and Thursday and he doesn't wanna get up that early. And he got two Fs on a couple of assignments. And so he's got his tray A's in college and he's just been killing it and two F's pop up. Cause you know, I'm that Jesus nut, I'm that helicopter pin gonna keep that thing going. Helicopter mom. So I'm in there checking the grades and so I said, you got two Fs. And he goes, I know, but I have to have a doctor's note. I was sick those two days.

Kim Gravel:

I didn't go to class. Whatever the case, I'm not judging that. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. And the professor's just not giving him any leniency. And so, I mean, he's just furious about it because he has, you know, straight A's. I mean, he has. Every college class he has, he has A's, except this one. He's got like a C because in part of his 20% of his grade, he's got Fs.

Zac Miller:

Okay?

Kim Gravel:

And so I got really, really angry. And first I got angry at Beau. I'm like, are you an idiot? You know, I'm like, what are you doing? Blah, blah. And then I got angry at the professor. I'm like, my God, he's got A's and everything else. You know? And then I just had to say, well, it is what it is. Yep. And I said.

Kim Gravel:

He said, well, what am I gonna do? I said, well, you can either accept it or go beg for mercy.

Zac Miller:

Yeah. I would say, as someone who is a college professor for five years, go to office hours. That's the answer. That's the answer to 99% of your problems.

Kim Gravel:

Go to the. That's my first thing I said to him, Zac. But. But. But the. I think the acceptance is really, really hard for a lot of people, Zac.

Zac Miller:

Yeah, well, looking at. I think that. Okay, so you've made me realize, because now I'm thinking of it through a. Like, a younger, sort of less. Less enlightened perspective than me and you, Kim. Because we are so wise, the two of us.

Kim Gravel:

Well, we'd live longer, you know, But.

Zac Miller:

I think there's a lot of. You beat yourself up because you feel embarrassed, right? Like, you don't want to confront it. Cause you are embarrassed to confront it for yourself, which makes you embarrassed to confront it in real life. Like, how are you gonna confront it externally if you can't even confront it internally?

Kim Gravel:

Well. And a lot of us. You agree? A lot of us, we just love being on the struggle bus, too. A lot of us just. We're addicted to the struggle.

Zac Miller:

Yep. Yep.

Kim Gravel:

I mean, Lord, if we didn't have the struggle to fuss and cuss about all the time, life would be boring. I've actually thought that through. I've actually thought, God, if I don't have anything to complain about, if I really let it go, if I really just accept this, what am I gonna fuss about?

Zac Miller:

Yeah, right. What are you gonna talk about?

Kim Gravel:

What do you call?

Zac Miller:

I mean. Right. Well, that's so funny to hear you say that, because, you know, I think it's such a smart thing to think about. Like, hey, I'm gonna complain about this. I'm gonna call my friends. I'm gonna call my best friend. I'm gonna call my family. I'm gonna call whoever and just talk about this and complain about it and be angry.

Zac Miller:

But that's your process. Like, that's talking it out is your process. That's how you're getting it out, how you're dealing with it. Right. Correct me if I'm wrong. And then you can let it, and then you can let it go.

Kim Gravel:

You gotta let it go. You gotta lay it down, you gotta accept it. So that's the first step of forgiving. The second step is you've got to cleanse.

Zac Miller:

Okay?

Kim Gravel:

Forgiveness really cleans out a lot of the cobwebs of your life. There are things that some of you are listening to right now that are. You're still holding on to it, that you have probably paid hundreds or at least thousands of dollars in therapy. You have drink, you've tried to drink it away, eat it away, smoke it away. All the things that you can do to try to get rid of it. The feelings of guilt, the feelings of. The triggers of you've been done wrong, or the feelings of guilt that you've done something wrong. Because a lot of times we can't get forgiveness for other people for things we've done to them, but we can forgive ourselves.

Kim Gravel:

And so again, I wish I had my sister here. Because replacing this cleansing process, a lot of times people numb out or they try to distract. I've done it. But really what it calls for, the second step, is just a cleansing.

Zac Miller:

Okay.

Kim Gravel:

It's more than just letting go. Because when you let go in that restoration and reconciliation process, when you let it go, cleansing is not about just removing what is bad, but they're also. Because, like when. When you're cleansing your face, you're not just removing the oil and dirt, you're actually putting moisture into. So the cleansing process is just letting go of the guilt, but replacing it with something else.

Zac Miller:

That's the first time you've used the word guilt, I think, which is interesting, because that totally is what you need to get rid of. At the end of the day, you.

Kim Gravel:

Got to get rid of it. And the shame.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

Because when. When you reconcile, the bitterness goes. Because it's restorative, it's accepting. And so when it might not go for some of you, but during the cleansing step, you really let go of the bitterness, the guilt. You really. But you can't just. You have to. You almost say something really controversial here.

Kim Gravel:

So if someone's done you really wrong, you in turn have to accept it, forgive it, let go of the anger, let go of the bitterness, let go of the guilt and replace it with blessing them, replace it with wishing them well. Because if you don't go through this second part of forgiveness, this cleansing part, you will. You will try to seek revenge.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

And all that will do is keep you in bondage, which is the thing. Third step is freedom. If you don't cleanse and replace it with something that is healthy and good and almost a blessing of sorts to that person that's done you wrong, or if it's something that you've done that you're letting go yourself, you have to bless yourself. You have to bless others, even the people that have done really, really bad things to you. If you don't do that, if you hold that, it holds you in bondage. And I think if I was to do, like, an algebraic or math problem, it would be forgiveness equals freedom. I'm going to tell you this. Any of you listening right now, if you've ever had something that has been tormenting your mind for decades, like.

Kim Gravel:

And I'm going to just go back to my weight loss because it tormented me. I would eat and then feel guilty and then eat again because I felt guilty. And I just beat myself up in my mind to the point of just absolute torture and absolutely had no freedom of life. Once I did these three things or these two steps, and then when I got to the third step, there was such a freedom in it, and the weight just fell off of me. When I just decided and accepted where I was and I got rid of the things that weren't working for me and replaced it. This is the cleansing with things that did. There was a freedom to it, and the burden was removed. And it allows you to reposition yourself in a place of positive forward movement.

Kim Gravel:

And I'm only saying all this because, y', all, there's a. There's a verse in Matthew 6, Matthew, chapter 6, 14, 15, that is a prerequisite for receiving forgiveness, is that you got to give it.

Zac Miller:

Okay.

Kim Gravel:

In Zac, nine times out of 10, most people in this world are holding on to unforgiveness.

Zac Miller:

Oh, yeah, I think we all are in some form or another. That's our baggage, right? I mean, when someone says, I have baggage, or I'm dealing with baggage, or I'm seeing a therapist, isn't that. I mean, that's unforgiveness. Some level, it's unforgiveness. There might be other stuff. There might be other trauma.

Kim Gravel:

Think through this. Can you change anything that's happened to you?

Zac Miller:

No. But you can change the way you think about it, of course.

Kim Gravel:

And you can change how you move forward in it.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

So, y', all, I want to tell you something. I can't. I would be remiss if I didn't say that, you know, all of this comes from Jesus coming and dying and forgiving us for Our sins. That's my point of view. That is my faith. That's where the help comes from. Hold on. I'm looking up this verse.

Kim Gravel:

I want you to read it. I want you to. I'm going to read that.

Zac Miller:

Yeah, read. We want to hear. I want to hear the Bible passage because you were saying this. This is the prerequisite. So that seems. Let's. That seems important. As you look it up, as you.

Zac Miller:

As you're looking it up, the thing that strikes me, you know, and I've started really trying to do this in my own life, is I think our first instinct is always to think about how something affects us. Like, think about me, right? Someone does me dirty. Someone does something wrong to me. And I'm thinking about, oh, that made me feel bad. That person is a bad person. Why do they do that? I hate that person. But I've started to really try to flip it around and be like, why does that person have so much road rage? Why does that person. Why did that person cut me off? Why did that person.

Kim Gravel:

Can I just say. But the deeper thing is, a lot of us haven't even. You can't forgive others because you haven't forgiven yourself. A lot of us beat ourselves up for things we have done. That's the first person you got to forgive. We. We are so hard on ourselves.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

And so let me read this verse this. Matthew 6, 14, 15. For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others, neither will your heavenly Father forgive your trespasses. That goes to. You got to forgive yourself.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

Do you see what that's saying?

Zac Miller:

Yeah. You have to forgive others.

Kim Gravel:

If you forget, if you forgive others their sins, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others, your Father will not forgive your sins. This passage emphasizes the reciprocal nature of forgiveness. It's talking about do unto others. Do you understand? Like, if you are not forgiving others, you can't even begin to receive forgiveness for yourself. It's not that God is some big bad. If you don't do this, I'm not doing this. It's the reciprocation of it all.

Kim Gravel:

It's what goes around, comes around. It's what you put out comes back to you and y'. All. It is so hard for us to accept forgiveness. We're always striving for perfection. I'm telling you, I see it in my sister all the time, and I just know it's because she has not forgiven herself for Things that are really not that bad.

Zac Miller:

Have you talked to her about this?

Kim Gravel:

I'm going to. We're gonna have her on the show because she wouldn't mind me saying this. Allison's an open book. That's what I love about her.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

Is that she will come on here and share the good, bad, and the ugly. And that's why people absolutely love her.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

So we're gonna do part two, but until we do part two, y', all, please go visit BibleLifeGuides.com okay. I'm featured on the homepage. It is our Bible guide to forgiveness. It's 24 days. You're going to see just walk through scripturally what forgiveness looks like and feels like. And if you are ready to really have this restorative, cleansing freedom in your life, I probably can talk to you for two seconds and dig it out. But it might have something to do. Probably 85% has to do with unforgiveness that you're holding not only for others, but unforgiveness for yourself.

Kim Gravel:

Because the beautiful thing about faith is there's nothing that can take you too far that his forgiveness cannot reach you. We hold ourselves back from having that freedom and that restoration in that cleansing. So if you're at a place where that forgiveness is tough for you and forgiving other people is tough, then you probably got to start. Start with this Bible Guide and walk through it and forgive yourself. Remember, it's reciprocal.

Zac Miller:

And I just want to say I think so. And 50% of the proceeds if you. If you get the Bible guide, go to fight homelessness and are given away. So that's. That's, yeah, huge, too.

Kim Gravel:

So I will tell you, like, my. My portion. I'm not making a dime off the Bible life, guys. I mean, you have to pay people to do their job. I'm not. The team there at Bible Lifeguides are doing their job. I'm taking all my proceeds. I'm putting it back into the world because I'm telling you, the word is the seed.

Kim Gravel:

It is the living truth, and it will sprout and grow and multiply. It is compound interest. It is going to. It pays dividends. That is eternal. So go to BibleLifeGuides.com, download this forgiveness 21 day journey and walk through this with us. Next week, we're gonna have Allison on the show and we're gonna talk about this because I tell you, I know she is ready and ripe and she's willing to share her story. I know it.

Kim Gravel:

So, okay, let's do it.

Zac Miller:

That's a promise. We're doing it.

Kim Gravel:

That's a promise. That's a promise.

Zac Miller:

I love it.

Kim Gravel:

Zac Miller is the Executive Producer of the Kim Gravel Show. His production company is Uncommon Audio. Our Producer is Kathleen Grant, the Brunette Exec. Production help from Emily Bredin and Sara Noto. Our cover art is designed by Sanaz Huber at Memarian Creative. Our show is edited by Mike Kligerman. Our guest intros are performed by Roxy Reese. Our guest booking is done by Central Talent Booking. Our ads are furnished by True Native Media. And y'all, I want to give a big huge thank you to the entire team at QVC+ and a special thank you to our audience for making this community so strong. If you are still listening then you must have liked a few episodes along the way. So tell somebody about it. Tell somebody about this show and join our mailing list at kimgravelshow.com. I cannot do this show without you and so I thank you from the bottom of my heart for listening. I hope you gain a little bit of encouragement, light and love love from watching and listening to The Kim Gravel Show. I love you all so much. Till next time. Bye.